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  • FloMarching

    It appears they've dropped their fee back to $30 from $50, thus confirming the DCI premium.

  • #2
    *rolls eyes*

    FloMarching is probably the 2nd most annoying thing for the marching arts right now (after Tresona). At least BOA lets band programs post one BOA video.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by BoaDci View Post
      *rolls eyes*

      FloMarching is probably the 2nd most annoying thing for the marching arts right now (after Tresona). At least BOA lets band programs post one BOA video.
      Oh wow, is that the official rule?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Marimba11 View Post

        Oh wow, is that the official rule?
        Here is a statement from a BOA employee on the matter of posted videos from Flo, last paragraph for the quick answer:


        BOA staff member here.

        When we stopped producing DVDs a couple years ago, we also had to shut down our on-demand streaming service (for like $70 year you could access an archive of all performances from any show post event). In the eyes of copyright licensing, providing a live stream service is similar to producing DVDs.

        Doing this would absolutely affect the earnings of FloSports. You have "middle-of-the-road" BOA fans who don't follow closely enough to warrant buying a Flo subscription, but absolutely would watch the free, pirated videos if available.

        Also another note concerning copyright. Flo now owns the streaming rights to BOA, DCI, and WGI. After DCI finals last month, a number of people put up screenshot videos of various performances on YouTube, and Flo had the legal right to, and rightfully so, have YouTube take down all of the videos. And don't think uploading them to a private Google Drive or Dropbox account would help - Flo would still have the right to take those down too.

        We hate to be the bad guys, but with the ongoing copyright debacle, it's just not fiscally possible to produce DVDs or provide a streaming service. The most simple infringement could cause a huge lawsuit that would end up in a payment in the six or seven figures. For a relatively small non-profit, something like that would be devastating to our organization.

        Therefore, we are still allowing bands to record a video. It absolves us of any responsibility and passes it directly on to the band/individual recording the video and if/how they distribute it. It's not ideal, but we totally understand the need to preserve historical archives, so it's the best solution we can offer.

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        • #5
          So many pirated videos on YouTube still.

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          • #6
            The problem most people can't afford to pay that much for a streaming service or to go to all of the events themselves. Also, maybe those people don't have time for those things so they rely on those videos to keep them up to speed, or they could just want to relive the moment.

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            • #7
              Some band parents can barely afford band fees for even the cheapest programs let alone pay to go to every football game or competition AND buy band merch for their student and such.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by StevieJanowski View Post
                So many pirated videos on YouTube still.
                I understand the legal concerns, really I do, but thank goodness for this. Some record of these performances needs to be saved. This country was founded by rogues (the Boston Tea Party was a result of the British lowering not raising prices, which undercut smugglers like John Hancock) who flouted authority.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BoaDci View Post

                  When we stopped producing DVDs a couple years ago, we also had to shut down our on-demand streaming service (for like $70 year you could access an archive of all performances from any show post event). In the eyes of copyright licensing, providing a live stream service is similar to producing DVDs.

                  Those were the good ol days. Basically every BOA performance of any band since like 2006, and every champion since the early 80s. God, that service was flawed in many ways but it was so much better than what we have had recently.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BoaDci View Post

                    Here is a statement from a BOA employee on the matter of posted videos from Flo, last paragraph for the quick answer:


                    BOA staff member here.

                    When we stopped producing DVDs a couple years ago, we also had to shut down our on-demand streaming service (for like $70 year you could access an archive of all performances from any show post event). In the eyes of copyright licensing, providing a live stream service is similar to producing DVDs.

                    Doing this would absolutely affect the earnings of FloSports. You have "middle-of-the-road" BOA fans who don't follow closely enough to warrant buying a Flo subscription, but absolutely would watch the free, pirated videos if available.

                    Also another note concerning copyright. Flo now owns the streaming rights to BOA, DCI, and WGI. After DCI finals last month, a number of people put up screenshot videos of various performances on YouTube, and Flo had the legal right to, and rightfully so, have YouTube take down all of the videos. And don't think uploading them to a private Google Drive or Dropbox account would help - Flo would still have the right to take those down too.

                    We hate to be the bad guys, but with the ongoing copyright debacle, it's just not fiscally possible to produce DVDs or provide a streaming service. The most simple infringement could cause a huge lawsuit that would end up in a payment in the six or seven figures. For a relatively small non-profit, something like that would be devastating to our organization.

                    Therefore, we are still allowing bands to record a video. It absolves us of any responsibility and passes it directly on to the band/individual recording the video and if/how they distribute it. It's not ideal, but we totally understand the need to preserve historical archives, so it's the best solution we can offer.
                    They don't explicitly state that the videos can be posted on youtube or elsewhere online. In fact if the video is captured directly from a Flo stream and uploaded then it is almost certainly still a copyright infringement that Flo can have taken down, even if it is posted by the official account of the performing band. What BOA does allow is for one designated staff member or parent, who is wearing a videographer badge that they provide, to film the performance from a designated area in the stands. If this video were to be uploaded it likely would be a copyright infringement as well. Basically all that is allowed is for a band to have a video of their performance to keep for their own use in the classroom.

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                    • #11
                      You see imo that is not really smart, because that is going to hold back the marching community from growing as much as it can and doesn't let the performing band sh9w their family/friends or really individually critique themselves going into the next competition. That's sad.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MadisonBandMan1 View Post
                        You see imo that is not really smart, because that is going to hold back the marching community from growing as much as it can and doesn't let the performing band sh9w their family/friends or really individually critique themselves going into the next competition. That's sad.
                        I really encourage you to take a closer look at what the MFA employee said. There really isn't much they can do, FloMarching/Tresona have completely barred the use of copyrighted material. Music For All/BOA can't do anything about it. The law is the law, and if putting a show on the field that claims to have melodies, from published, copyrighted shows, Tresona has the rights to them. Thats just the way it is. The fact that they let one video get posted from each year is actually really generous, and its not 100% legal either. Its the best they can do.

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                        • #13
                          Yes, I understand it and can live with that. I still don't like it and am going to complain about it though.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BoaDci View Post

                            The law is the law, and if putting a show on the field that claims to have melodies, from published, copyrighted shows, Tresona has the rights to them. That's just the way it is.
                            This is not entirely correct. Tresona controls the rights to a lot of music under copyright, but by no means do they control the rights to all such music.

                            That does not take away from your general point.

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                            • #15
                              What about bands that do all original music?

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